All right. Good morning, everyone. Still got a few folks felt rename, but we'll go ahead, get stored. It's nine o'clock. Welcome back to DC today. Thursday morning, October the 15th, 2020. I've got some folks in the chat box. I posed the question to, to folks on the call this morning. Our topic of discussion is poultry letters as a soil amendment. So I asked the question for those of you that are joining us, if you have producers or if you are a producer, if you could just put into the chat window if you utilize poultry litter or if you had an intent to utilize it and maybe where you're sourcing that letter from just to kind of help facilitate our discussion today. Say a topic of discussion is going to be poultry litter. How we're pleased to be joined by two specialists. This Moyne R1 is Dr. Mark writer extension soul specialists with virginia cooperative extension and Virginia Tech. And Dr. writer's going to be presenting this morning on some of the agronomic aspects of poultry litter as a sole amendment. And then we're going to follow that up with mr. Seth Muslims from Virginia Department of Conservation and Recreation. And Seth is going to talk a little bit about the recently updated poultry litter transport program and some of the cost-share assistance that Department of Conservation and Recreation has put into place for producers to help with transportation cost of getting poultry litter. I'm from source to the farms. So we're pleased to be joined by both of those gentlemen Des Moines, and appreciate everybody joining us in mark, if you'd like to go ahead and get started. Thank you for being here. Thank you, Robbie. Thanks for having me. I always like to talk about chicken letter. So this is a thought that I started doing, gosh, along time ago, 15 years ago or so on the subject. That's it. Thanks for inviting me today talking about poultry litter is Robbie mentioned nonetheless, soils in nutrient management extension specialists around the eastern shore. So we certainly have a lot of birds here. And and certainly with those birds comes a lot of material that I am. I'm very hesitant to call weights. Often you hear people talk about manure as a waste product, but, but we do it certainly is a fertilizer. It's very valuable for laser and I'm happy to see that folks ouch else way over in the northern neck middle peninsular using it. It's a great program. We have the BCR for transport. So hopefully we can get more of this litter over there. And hope in that the open start using some letter from the shore as well. And whether it's from Dell, Marvin, Delaware, Maryland, or Virginia. And I'm happy that movement off the shore, regardless of where it's grown. Cities, poultry houses, typically somewhere between 25 thousand to 50 thousand birds per flop per house. Certainly lately we've gotten larger houses. And with that, you know, one of the questions we typically have with, with farmers who have never used poultry litter before is what exactly is it when we talk about popular here, is not just the manure or the feces from the bird itself that we often think about, um, from, from most of the roller facilities. But it's the bedding material which can be wood shavings. Certainly in the mid-Atlantic here. If you're out towards Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, you might have some rice house. Or's here recently we've started doing work with warm season grasses. A Miscanthus ism, Different things which also act pretty nicely as bedding material as well. And also one thing a lot of people don't realize even looking at it, feeling it, touching it with gloved hands. And of course, it's around 25% water is pretty wet material typically. And that can range depending on your house and whatnot, but certainly has a 25% moisture concentration on average. Or there's some feed in their skill feed feathers. Of course, there might be some adults, such as alum PLT clasps that poultry farmer should use for ammonia control as well as phosphorus solubility control. And then of course, the one thing that we typically think of is the bird feces that certainly as to the phosphorus and nitrogen concentrations of this material. So when we talk about modulators that mix and different products. And so as you would expect with that, it varies a lot depending on your source. Now we had a lot of this on Damar, especially I'm focused on Damar over here since that's where I live and where one of the two large production areas here in Virginia. But on Dell Marvel lying between Maryland, Delaware in Virginia, we produce over 600 million rollers per year, which is about 4.3 billion pounds of meat. So just think about that shear scale and how much waste products. And I said to myself weights but how much manure and culturally we're producing that. Typically there's a capacity of about a 145 million birds grow. And at any point time here on the DOM larva, certainly a lot of litter out there. And with that, this number varies wildly. So before set, correct me if I'm wrong here, but especially hopefully Dave Kindig less, we gave you some information for this. There's around somewhere around 500 thousand tons of poultry litter available per year. That ranges a lot as far as the nutrient analysis, but somewhere around 3% nitrogen, 3% phosphate in two or 3% polish. So it is a nutrient source that works very well. We have a lot of data with that, show in how well it does work. And certainly in terms of fertilizer prices. Having a cheaper fertilizer source that can also add some organic matters pretty useful. So I don't have a lot of you have seen this. Autumn agents have at least looking at fertilizer costs. Over time. This issues in some of the USDA National Statistic Service data using the index value of a 100% B in the year 2011 on the y axis, and then ears on the time on the x axis. And so what this is showing is basically taken inflation out of the picture. How fertiliser prices are comparably to your recent history. 2011, me and a 100%, You're right now for lashes a little cheaper than it was in about ten years ago, were setup. So that's good. But if you look over time, this trend is still going up where fertilizer prices are becoming more expensive in the grand scheme of things. So certainly looking at Al, trying to fertilizer sources such as poultry litter compared to traditional inorganic fertilizers is pretty useful. And as far as like the transportation program, Seth is, when I mention, we really need to do a better job on dispersing these nutrients from these certain areas. So looking at some of the census data or this data from 2012, but it actually, we're a little higher right now. In 2012 is certainly the Damar as one large growing area as well as the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. So because paltry letters produce their record has a lot of manure, poultry love, NORC. These nutrients are concentrated in the area. We need to get them out to areas such as Northern middle Peninsula to use on row crops. So where this really matters. My second favorite slide to show is just looking at the sheer male I'm nutrients that we need in our production systems. So this lattice with crop uptake and removal for several different crops. From potatoes, sweet potatoes, tomatoes, to the bottom three rows here. Corn for grain, soybeans, and wheat. For instance, here for corn that yields a 180 bushels per acre, we need a 102 pounds of phosphate to be taken up in that crop and then 79 pounds of that phosphate to remove from that field. So every time we certainly need to replace these phosphate nutrients and poultry litter can be an excellent source for doing that in our production systems. Just to continue looking at potash here when he 240 pounds of potash behave in that 180 bushel corn crop and 52 counts of removing that feel. So certainly area we have to fertilize. And so we're hopeful that poultry litter can be disperse more towards these traditional grain crop needs in areas for a fertilizer source that's very much needed. But of course with anything there's problems, which is where VCR comes into picture with hopefully some funds that help us move this litter. As poetry has a pretty low nutrient concentration. And said based on nutrient concentrations alone, we can only move them about 25 to 50 miles per area. So with that, we can't take them bar just based on a fertilizer value, which is where the subsidies come into play to help transport this litter further. Another issue that is especially problematic for people in a grain crop produce in areas is that it's pretty difficult to spread as compared to traditional fertilizer. You need specialized equipment, of course. And it can take more time and of course, others regulations you have to abide by that we don't necessarily have with inorganic fertilizers. And over time, if you're not careful, certainly, we can start running into some of the other problems with phosphorus concentrations increasing if it's not monitor appropriately. And the reason this really happens is if you look at the nitrogen and phosphorus concentrations in poultry litter, postulate or has about two parts nitrogen. About one part of phosphorus, typically somewhere in that range where it can even be a two to two ratio depending on your litter source. But typically crops need about four parts and nitrogen, phosphorus, which is the whole reason why. Typically, over time, we focused on phosphorus manure management plan versus a nitrogen in manure management plan. Since you need less phosphorus if you apply it based on nitrogen II, apply too much phosphorus and race your soil test values where you really don't need to. And of course with ashore here one of the big problems is we can't use populate or easily in vegetable production system. So a less a local issue certainly. But you do have some vegetables on the northern edge that we need to be cognizant about to make sure we're using manure appropriately and those rotations if it's suitable. So as far as manure spreading, typically, Here's manure spreader. You see how it's certainly bulky, dusty. It can be an issue. It can manage, certainly, but it isn't change something different to worry about overtime. And then of course, as I mentioned, we need to be very careful on how we apply these, which is wearing a nutrient management plan comes into play, which Dave Kindig spoke about last week. So this is a very nice study from the University of Delaware where they compared on the y axis, soluble phosphorus in runoff water to your mail ID one soil tests on your x axis. And as this slide demonstrates it, he saying your optimum soil tests phosphorus range, which we aim to do with nutrient management planes. You have very little soluble phosphorus and runoff. But certainly as this may look, one soil test buttress increases. The chance for losing phosphorus from your fields via run-off increases as well. So certainly over time, one, This is why we're trying to move litter from Dell Marvin from the Shenandoah Valley. Some of our soil test values are higher than they need to be for crop production. But certainly in your area where you're not use unpopular traditionally and you're working more on this optimal soil tests phosphorus range. It's a very safe fertilizer to use with a very low risk for overall runoff and pollution problems. And certainly we all know we need phosphorus. This is a slide we saw from our field even here on the eastern shore. So there's a lot of land areas that we can use phosphorus on very safely. That that comes from poultry litter. And I stress this because poultry litter has a negative connotation as far as being a polluter, where certainly if used appropriately it is no different or even less of a bluer than say, some inorganic fertilizers as well. So, so certainly there's a lot of land we can use. And probably the best reason wherever really stressing use. And new, newer areas for row crop production is that phosphorous is a limited resource. So looking at some data that was presented from NIH FDC about International Plant Nutrition Institute. If you look at the US phosphorus reserves, we only have around of 50 years or so left here in the United States. Now as a country or the world, total. We have, say, maybe 328 years left. But ultimately this is a finite resource that we need to manage properly. Because if you look at our US reserve, which is largely in North Carolina as well as in Florida. In the Bombelli in Florida is ancient sea creatures, is bones that have deposited on the so, on the bottom of the ocean over time turned into Iraq. And so you think about that, we're not making that anymore released from making it very slowly. So we have about 30 to 50 years let here in the United States. And largely the, the good stuff are, the easy demand stuff is going already, has become more difficult. So with that in mind, phosphorus will likely increase over time as far as he calls them. So using poultry litter might be a really nice alternative to slow the, the use of this inorganic material. So looking at the value of poultry litter. So one disclaimer near is MS. Slides. Over the last ten years or so, we've worked a lot with poultry litter ash. And hopefully you all returned a survey you might've received about poultry litter ash or poultry litter over the past couple of years. And we were part of that study, say, you'll see on the slides ash. But certainly whenever we're talking about ashes, a co-product where we burn poultry litter for energy. Look at that resulting co-product. We always compare that raw, that raw edge to fresh poultry litter, which was our feedstock. So looking at this particular slide, this bottom row, PL is poultry litter looking for a 3% nitrogen to present phosphate, 3% punish analysis, which again was a nice average we use from this study. Looking at the nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium in that material, the poultry litter itself just based on N, P and K, was worth about $93 per time based on a tab year average for fertilizer prices. So I know you're likely pain for your first poultry litter. The Certainly you're likely pain much less than this $93 per time. So it's really typically a cheaper fertilizer source than some of the inorganic products that we have out there and are used to. Now, this is a five-year average price. But if you look at the, say, high prices is what I call it a few years ago when prices were a little higher than they are today. In this, this litter value was up to a $117 per ton. So just think about that price range when you're paying for poultry litter and poultry litter application in conjunction with the transportation program to see how this fits into your overall economic plan for your particular arm. So looking at the analysis of poultry litter, Oh, one thing you'll notice is a little more comprehensive than you typically would say C for a triple superphosphate or adapt or mapper or inorganic source that you're used to. And that's because partially litter is a really complete fertilizer, meaning it has NPK. Well as many micronutrients that are pretty useful. Or crop production as well as other macronutrients that we typically don't think about. So this is a pretty typical poultry litter analysis that we have done completed at a private lab. And if you notice these reports, one thing I encourage you to do is I always make sure you receive a copy of this report with your particular load or batch a poultry litter since they did change a lot. And hopefully this is included is included in your nutrient management plan as well. But make sure you get a copy of your report. So you can see the percent of organic nitrogen, ammonia, nitrogen, say nitrate, nitrogen, as well as total nitrogen in that material. We'll talk about this here and a little bit how nitrogen, it's the hardest thing to manage with poultry litter. And why these numbers matter as far as what is plan available over that particular year. You also have your fear percent phosphorus, potassium, this particular product had a lot of sulfur in it, which is a fertilizer we need a lot of Now since we no longer have air pollution to provide it's free software, be acid rain. For instance, this particular litter had 20 pounds of software per time, which is excellent on calcium, magnesium, a little sodium, zinc, iron, manganese, copper, which are all useful fertilizers. As well as one thing I also wanted to note is when he didn't notice was the PH. So in this particular case, the pH is 8.1, which is a result of some of the feed additives that the poultry company shoes in the house. So particular to a basic product. It actually does have a small lambing potential where calcium carbonate equivalent associated with it as well. So not only is it a good complete fertilizer source, you're having a little lamb potential there as well. And we have some long-term research plots here on the station where over 15 years we never had to apply line when we were used in poultry litter in that particular rotation. And this particular case, we were about 23% moisture. So this is a very typical particular analysis that we'll use for determining crop production fertilizer needs in a particular situation. And if you notice this company, this lab actually estimated the amount of nutrients available in this first year for these products. And in nitrogen again, is probably the biggest wild-card that you'll see using this as a fertilizer, as this company predicted, about 34 pounds of that nitrogen would be available the first year when they're 60 pounds total in that particular window or product. Now again, your nutrient management plan, well, we're final is based on your situation, but that just gives you an idea that around 50% or so was plain available in that first year. Where in contrast, nearly all of the phosphorus and potassium are typically considered plain available in that first year. In the recent nitrogen is such an issue is it's complicated. It's a pretty complicated nutrient. And when you start looking at these animal manures B and incorporate it into the system. A majority of that product is organic matter. It's locked up into organic molecules, that is uric acid and in other compounds. And so what happens is microbes actually had to work on this organic product to release the nitrogen nutrients to convert it from organic matter to mineral forms of nitrogen that plants can use such as ammonium and nitrate. So that's why nitrogen is a little hairy in these situations, but certainly something that can be managed. Cytoskeletal data. This is some work we completed, again, is part of a particular Asch study. So ignore these top two lines. That's particular ashes. But if you look at this blue line, the xs, this is fresh poultry litter. Looking at plant available nitrogen released as a percent on the y-axis over time and on the x axis. And if you notice, this line progresses over this period. Initially, after about day seven, about 40% of that plant available nitrogen was, was there. And that's largely attributed to attribute it to say the nitrates and the ammonia that was quickly released in there from somebody uric acid. However, microbes then started gobbling up this nitrogen still actually reduce our pan. But over time, if you look, say Dave, 40, day 50, base 60, we pretty much stabilize here around 50% of that nitrogen be in-plane available. In this particular study, which is pretty typical for what we see. And, and basically base our calculations on for you particular row crop system. So as far as pan or plant available nitrogen, just to explain that a little is, since nitrogen is the hardest to predict, its pan or plan available, nitrogen is a combination of that inorganic nitrogen fraction such as or mineral nitrogen. Ammonium and nitrate. Add it to a fraction on that organic nitrogen that has been mineralized to release from microbes. So if you look at the equation on the screen here, there's a couple of different coefficients that you should see or at least understand as far as furniture management plans, where as far as there's an x here in front of ammonia, NH4, ammonium, sorry, NH4. And that x changes depending on how you apply and incorporate your, your particular material. So you'll see on the bottom left this chart that I stole from the written EDC are neater management standards and criteria. And the 2014 edition that says if you incorporate poultry litter after seven days or no incorporation, you can typically account and assume that 50% of that ammonia is going to be useful for your crop and you've lost 50% of that among them portion nitrates are typically there, but typically very small and poultry litter, small component and inorganic nitrogen. Again, looking at this DC are manual figures for use in poultry litter, somewhere around 0.6 or 60%. And now I'm focused on week here for spring early fall applied systems. Since we're looking at a heightened wheat now. It's going to be plan available. So crunch through those numbers. You'll see if you look at our from our nutrient analysis, might actually be useful to have both charts here if you can see on the right, on the next slide, that's the report we're using. And if you look at pan on the left, on the big the big blue slide, the 0.5 pounds per ton. I'm sorry, the point that is the factor for ammonia important seven pounds per ton of ammonium plus 0.3, which is the pounds of nitrate for time. And then 55.7, which is right here under the S's basis, has a nitrogen per time in the organic form, has 0.6. Chris throughout that in our calculation gives us insist that around 36 pounds of nitrogen per time will be a plane available during year one. So that's how you figure out nitrogen. It can be a little clunky, but certainly one thing that think about over that system that it will eventually become available, but it is more of a slow release type product. And if you look at this lab report, they sit around 34 penultimate was playing available. So this company is in Delaware, so they have slightly different calculations in Delaware, but certainly it's very applicable to Virginia as well. So as far as poultry litter, they can they talked about this, I'm sure NS set as we'll likely will regarding application time. And this is just another challenge that we might have for poultry litter. When we're incorporating them into core and small grains. Eastern Virginia type systems is that there is a finite time that you have to apply later. With inorganic fertilizer is not as big of a deal. We're used to this. But since we have to put up such a larger bulk of product and worry about transport from the value. Sure. This Tom timing can be challenging if it turns wet or something like that. So just keep that in mind if you're looking at using poetry literate as well. So I just look at a few slides here at some of the data with were conducted on the shore as well as some of this was across a big everyone northern Nick as well. This is a research project established in 2003 where we were looking at a corn, soybeans wheat rotation, looking at Calculator by itself populated with some additives such as alum to reduce phosphorus solubility, as well as comparing this to triple superphosphate, a pure phosphorous source, to see how paltry little reacts regarding the phosphorus and potassium as compared to traditional inorganic fertilizers. And so long story short, going through all the many years of data, many gyrations that we have looking at, at these particular three years. We found that overall, if you look at this first line two, which is fresh poultry litter, and 13, which is triple superphosphate. Over those three years, we applied 310 pounds of P2O5 phosphate equivalents using that fresh, puffy, little organic source as compared to triple superphosphate, which is an inorganic fertilizer. Overall, looking at corn yields, we removed about 50 pounds in 63 pounds or so from that system. So we did apply too much phosphorus as part of the when this study was to see how it, how bands we can build bathrooms up in our soils. In overall abnormality when soil test results, they were pretty much the same. Poultry litter and triple superphosphate pretty much gave us the same overall corn yields for one but also the, so it has been raised on this particular side. So overall, this pretty much concludes, as we pretty much expected, any sandy loam soils that we have here in eastern Virginia, that modulator works just as well as triple superphosphate, another phosphorus sources. Raising our overall solo tests, phosphorus concentrations as well as Unicorn yielded leads in kind of a nice a sad here was this one calculation was for every 3, every three pounds or so of fertilizer, we were able to raise our soil tests phosphorus about one ppm, which is one question we received a lot when we talk about soil testing. So in the same study, just a couple other things to note is that I guess is also is a caution a cautionary tale, and also is a lesson to wire. So a tests on the shore in the valley might increase so quickly with all this extra phosphorous editions. Is, if you look at this top left chart, looking at the control with no phosphorus and then triple superphosphate, inorganic fertilizer B in this green line and green box with poultry litter B in these yellow and red lines are two lines. We were applying this on my nitrogen bases that were over applying phosphorous as compared to triple superphosphate where, where we validates our soil test guidelines. And so as this chart nicely shows issue with nail, my Beth over mail at one is soil has concentrations. If you do follow our virginia cooperative extension, so attached recommendations for phosphorous, you certainly will not everytime likely increased year, your soil test P Very much. If you ever apply phosphorus, like is often done in close proximity to poultry houses. Nsa thing can happen on the neck. If we start overplaying poultry litter, you will overall increase those. So attest concentrations above what we need for optimum crop growth. So the same thing on this other chart. Just a little different scenario. But long story, short and don't ever apply your phosphorous. You will have to worry about it as far as popular. So here's just another photo I mentioned in some manure ashes were working with. And so just to kind of say, this is more of a recent study we've been conducting. In some of this data is from, again, the northern neck, middle peninsula down on stuff that gets well, here's the eastern shore looking at fresh poultry litter as compared to triple superphosphate, organic or inorganic fertilizers. On tissue. Phosphorus concentrations with phosphates is pretty hard to often get true yield responses. But certainly you can see how phosphorus availability occurs in that plant by looking at plant tissue. Looking at tissue phosphorus concentrations on the wax is Vs. There are different sources here on the x u. And in this scenario, fresh popular was the same as is everything else. It was not truly significant, statistically, certainly numerically that fresh populated with 0.37% and our leaf tissue at the V6 corn growth stage S competitor triple superphosphate of 0.35. So this tells us that even though the first particular litter with applied basically at planning, by the time we were at B6, certainly enough of that manure had mineralized to release equal amounts of fresh or phosphorus to be taken up for that particular crop. That's a pretty handy data point to have to see how quickly that manure can mineralized and release nutrients. So just keep an eye on that same study. Looking at R1 with corn, poultry litter, I slowed down a little bit where triple superphosphate was about 0.26% and hopefully it was 0.2 fat. Now in this case the control was also point to five, but, but nonetheless, poultry litter than subplot ample nutrients there. So with that distinct conclusion here, let's set talk some i in a postulate or has some real fertilizer value. It's a great fertilizer source. Or we didn't go into any of the nitrogen studies that we've done. As, you know, that it's hard to get funding for that anymore. That's been researched a lot. But it certainly is a great fertilizer source for nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium, which you will have a learning curve as far as using these nutrient management plans. Haven't a slower release height product as compared to something that's pretty much water-soluble and a 100% released, like a lot of our inorganic fertilizers are. The nutrient value will change depending on your source and how it's stored, Of course, which again, look at your new dream ends replaying that help you with that. And probably the biggest difference here is you're going to have to have a nutrient management plan. So, so do talk to your local solar water conservation districts as they also have funded for nutrient management plan writing, often also in addition to that litter transport. But in a based on nutrient value alone, we can't just moved the letter as far as we need to. So hopefully, set will give us some great information next on, on how you can have cost share to help bring this litter to your area. As always, feel free to call me or email me or Facebook message me. Here's my contact information. If you have some more questions about using fresh populate or in your particular system. So with that, Robbie, I will yield the floor. Alright, thanks Mark. Appreciate you joining us and sharing those agronomic aspects. Seth, If you could go ahead and share your screen and that will work, Pete. And now talk a little bit about the DC or litre transport program. And in some of the updates to that program that have included several counties here in eastern Virginia. And I misspoke modeling. I worked with the Department of Conservation and Recreation, knockout or nutrient management coordinator for animal waste. Most of what I do is the approval of the nutrient management plans were written for the poultry harmed or dairy that had to have VPA commit on the key department of environmental quality. But I've also, I also work on tomato paste. The client writers go enter a hill. Plenty aware. In our Stanton office, she's candle the main contact for this program. That's the shift with it as well. At the end, I've got her contact information to put out there. Mark kind of alluded to some of the background of the program. If you that map he showed that the map he showed earlier that showed the area, the concentration of the poultry operations. Here are the two big ones in the state. In the Shenandoah Valley, an ACA Mack. And so years ago and I validate DCI or up until 2008. And there was a form of this program in place, band. But to culture, to the Virginia Poultry Federation and a country butane away. Along with DC. Or the whole goal of this is to take wetter from areas of high concentration to low concentration as far as glitter production. And it auto tagged back to EPA in the Chesapeake Bay model. And how we look at census data or other data. Rock and amp candies got X number of turns are produced in x number of acres where the crop, hey, your pasture, that can take it. And He Li numbers will vary and over time, but I know my grant now in Iraq and ham County has 2.4 cam is much greater. If they have my under a spreaded ONE. Read them, we insert. There's a need in the model to move that later out of, out of rock and hand. Similar situation and Akamai and that model, and the way we get created in the model for different BMPs is a driver for a whole lot of the requirement and specification to this program. This particular side is just to get a lot of text explaining that DC orange Poultry Federation had this program while we had the program. And then depending on where the batter is and where the resulting Ptolemy is, are they receiving pawn? Folks can be eligible for 75015 or $20 per ton culture. To help with the increased transport cost. I want to point out that different from other culture programs, this one does not go to the soil and water. They do have some information on the program. But for this one, it works directly with the fior and particularly particularly the nutrient management program. Staff administer the program. Nurses just havoc. They may have talked about some of this last week. This is from the the Watershed Implementation Plan that Regina sent to EPA back in the summer, late summer. And up until this year, we're showing like five to 6 thousand tons of letter transferred out of those counties. Some of that is that numbers probably lower than reality because there is not, then the system for tracking whether transfers and reporting that data is not perfect. And so there are some transfers out of those candies that are probably not included. But that five to 6 thousand tons is the number that go on in a modern and serve virginity has been. When I say penalize, it would be better if it was a higher number. And so in this plan, about 20-25 virginia committed can move and 89 thousand times per year. So that's a pretty significant increase. Over the last couple years, the state funding portion and this program has greatly increased, I think where it for 20 fiscal year 2020, ms. To earn $50 thousand from the state for this program. And I thank next years is is close to 350. But in addition to what a Poultry Federation is contributing. And it goes back to this slide is kind of like Marx map. Just to point out, I don't know how much water is actually used. Own own farms that produce the produce the Berge in rock and M and page there or 513 forms. A 166 actually use later on the form. So the other 350 farms, that's all been transferred somewhere. And similarly, an achromatic managed six poems producing letter for using later. And those numbers will change. They fluctuate. So I'll get plants that used to be transfer plans and somebody wants to put some on, hey, fielding so they'll start using URL, get folks that they hit their pastures firewall. Goin up until now I had to transfer all they later they can't use it anymore, but they do fluctuate over time. So specifically about that program. To be eligible for payment, the letter in question must originate in AKA Mac rock and ham or page county's tribe kinda haven't yet a way. The reader has to go to a destination outside of the Chesapeake Bay watershed or a specified area within the Bay watershed? In our explain it in a little bit. If it goes inside the bay and it's from rock and ham county, ITER lower rate. And it divides the rate and have if all that letter that comes from Akamai receive $20 a ton and it actually the eligible receiving counties for that letter or they're all at least partially in the Bay watershed. Right now. A farmer, to request this incentive, they're able to request up to 400 returns poor per request. In the past when there was grass funding available than there was to make more like the program available to more people to increase interest in it. Now with the funding level has increased and we're not really using all knowing that team we didn't, you know, in 20. There's still some painting but we're not gonna use all for fiscal year 2021. There's been a lot of interests. So for the entity that's still to be See right now, if view in a request for 400 tonnes, you can send in a request for 400 times. You'll move. The second request will be at the bottom of the line. And so to come back around to it, there is some talk poorly. 21 program for the 22 programs to eliminate that cap. I don't know if that will happen or not. To be eligible. The letter has to be applied according to a nutrient management plan. And I'll say, I'll talk about a little bit. Right or wrong. Dq has some regulations that apply to litter in users. And so in those regulations, the nutrient management plan will give you the application rate, the, the options in their end user regulation that don't include nutrient management clients are very conservative. And so to get the highest application rate to be able to put down the most litter. You need a plan anyway. There are some restrictions on the existing shortest phosphorus levels in a field. I'm gratified with those levels, but above a certain level of soil test phosphorus, the fields not eligible for this program. The plan may be written to still a pile letter, but the letter would be eligible for the co-chair. The kosher applicant has to supplier where you take it to surprise from records and three forms that I want to share a little bit later on. The the applicant or the person requesting the car share is subject to spot checks, DC, or and they are subject to all the end-user regulations from the Department of Environmental Quality. And I've got those citations on and know, Mark was talking about meta-analysis on me. As an end user of poultry litter, those THE poultry growers is required to supply a copy of the DQ requirement and a litter analysis. So folks who were banned, whether they should be getting what we call a current analysis, one taken within the last three years. And the copy of the DQ requirements for use in murder mysteries. The map showing eligibility across the state kind of stored a tomato VC rock and him up and allow a and page along with ACA MAC on the shore or the auditable source counties. For a long time, most of the plant Valley littered on to Southern in Southwest Virginia. So we've Canada over the last couple years, added some of the eastern counties. If you see most of the northern neck and middle peninsula there, Purple and Green. And that means they're eligible for $20 a ton kosher from for better from ACA Mac and serve and safety from rock and ham or page because it does count is o and the Bay watershed. If you go further south down towards Chesapeake, Virginia Beach, wrongly. They're orderable. You, Akamai equator, non-weird, or for the payment and they get to course two for $20. Funding. Levels stay where they are now. Some of these Somalis may change. Surry County may eventually be eligible to target Moroccan Hamlet or whether they happened or not because you logistics, I don't know, but a lot of this deal goes back to that. The arithmetic funding, you don't want somebody way down. We County shannon up and they're not able to get wetter. And so the money has been obligated and it's not available to somebody else. But see, you don't know anything else about that. When we get a lot of interest from Halifax, Ketuvim Campbell, those folks are able to get glitter, our rock and am pretty reasonable cost. And then they struggle somewhat more Hussein found and folks to spread it. Not known. Neighbors that are new to the poultry litter. And poultry litter spread next to see things that need to be considered. If you work in a center is D, C, power ten Combo and not away. Those canons have, there's a half and complex there. So they have. You go back to that Bay model. Those counties produce enough where the data are not eligible. And if you look it up, regulation County's not eligible. Those are more functionals available, land, twitter being produced in those carries its just a hormone. To go along with other things that tomato looks at. There's just not enough to accommodate incomplete Twitter. This is the table was talking about the women sought St. numbers. If you're short by any illegal labs and they should be in the units that report. If you're a short SP P is below these numbers, then the field is Urdu. The co-chair. It above these rebels, It wouldn't be eligible. Those are pretty reasonable numbers, especially in areas where folks have been banned far afresh. You don't have own tone generated nutrient sources. The numbers are pretty high. For somebody I could disband fertilizer. Literally the first page of that litter fact sheet from dQ that all in user should receive an all participants in this program. I do need to be fall on this. Document for storage requirements, siding requirement, setback requirements or all those things calming some of this. There's kind of duplicate what an agent may management plan will do. But if you follow your farm and the Klan, you will be in compliance with the DQ fact-sheet. The biggest bang is making sure that you're actually seeing on the fact-sheet, unaware that the rules are there and they are applicable to them. The way the program works. You need to have a nutrient management plan written shown where application to the fields that are eligible. Of course you can. Do you have some fields with whoever that are too high? You can include lesion, can be in the plan as well. But if you have a pie and what I want to say Canfield, we may identify that normally father eligible and that will mimic what available just because I'd have to check pions. We do delta Pi engine identifier fields that are eligible. But the plan has to be, the planner needs to route to client correctly. It's gotta be according to the DC or standard. You send this request form, a nutrient management plan and a W9 poor me in twos, Cynthia Williams. And because the state is making a payment and I'm sure to Coursera program require shampoo similar bigger soil water districts. Send those three document in initially, and Cynthia will send you an approval. We have received your application. You're approved for up to 400 times. And then at that point, you would be on the phone or to murder. Apply to wetter according to the plan. After the Twitter application may the former would then submit this your application record. And this chain of custody form, which just identifies the source to the broker and the end user. And then down at the bottom, which isn't. For all I've seen, the recipient of the payment has always been in leisure. And I think the, the bad idea because maybe making voter eligible for the payment that I don't think that happens a lot. And you would also put her in urine there. You will also supply others surcharge scale way ticket for all the weather or the weather that was that was the plan that included on the record sheet. But if you work on them on the right-hand side within bracket sheet DC or determining whether that field was eligible? Nah, nah. Be Lana rate, date. So tears P. And so if performer in the clans omega five oddity and fields that are eligible for, for the payment based on soil test. Then they could still, we're told fields there and gentle yoga to identify which ones are eligible and which ones aren't. But these D3, the application record, the chain of custody and the way ticket would come in there after after the application is made. And then from there the packet omit augur the plan. All these documents come to me. Our goal. Then they go downtown and eventually China, it will send out the payment. It's not something that happens instantly when you send it again. We are a state agency, so it does take us some time to get it gives to fancier than that comes to me and then it goes to finance and eventually it goes on to somebody that actually sharing the checker. It takes a little time. Sometimes a former call center here, pretty quick to know where the payment is. It common? It just takes some time to get it all through, all through the, through the bureaucracy. Cynthia to famous man was on fire, but I've also got Cynthia Williams contact information sheet, candidate, the administrator or the program. She she does a good job of talking to farmers, exploring and tune what you need and when she made it. I've also got on here a link to the website at most to go to all my files around or describes aren't, but the information is on the website. That's the URL for it. If you go to the website and try to find it, it's very hoard. Our artists all or you go to Google and kept in DC or littoral transport and it'll bring it out. But it's a good program. The poacher participated. There. There will be some grumbling about some of the paperwork, but they keep coming back every year. Probably the biggest issue is for folks found and letter who's kinda master at to begin and to see the tissue Valley letter moving out that way. That means their contacts I already made. So that seems to be the biggest hurdle and all this you get and the end user in the areas where there is now order getting them in contact with the poultry growers in the valley are on the eastern shore. That change to be the biggest hurdle for this program. Or I have seen the $15 a ton, say from lock and dam to Halifax. But that seems to be a number. But to make it work, when may confound the turbid prior to taking the court can remember here. We will get to that point. That's already thank saf, preach AT join us this morning. Arm chair and the update on the letter transport program from DC or partner. We'll we'll go ahead and open it up for questions and comments. I see that there's several questions in the chat box from some folks. So bread I see you has several comments and questions. Do you want to go ahead and address some of those? Yeah, I can do that. I really want to pitch this program a lot. I think that with the with nutrient management requirements coming Onnes is a great way to get a form. Actually, my focus is foraged farmed Blatchley hay fields that get under nutrient management plan. So I do a lot of forage base nutrient management planning. So the incentives are great tools to entice or to incentivize the transport of the letter from those areas. But my question is one of our biggest barriers is a way in these loads. And so what do you $37.50 out of a farmer to northern Piedmont? Hay and our litter. Our little price that mark quoted what he had up to about $90. I can only get my highest is $85 a ton. I haven't recalculated in the last year. No, I'd be a little higher than that. But for tractor trailer loads, that's not a problem. We can weigh attracted, try to load and dump, but a lot of our guys don't have the equipment to spread this letter. So they relied on poultry litter, buggy rentals, or there were pine on the broker to spread it. So my question is do we have do we have to weigh every spreader truck load? Or can we take one way and use that for four loads off the same pile that has the same test results, they moisture content, same spreader trouble. Right now. That's one of the things that's looked at. And in the way ticket add up to the same amount and the same carnage that being the payment being requested for. Are they using or they ever Hall on it in a short amount? I don't know exactly where you're located, but Madison County, Virginia, lower than Piedmont. And so if it if that's come up from rock and haven't paid, would they haul it that different in a spreader trunk? They do all the time. But now they're rooted unless those spreader trucks are breaking down every day so they don't, they're not buy new ones. And so Hopi bonds provided grants for tallies are for entities at one lit a letter spreader. We'll got Madison County, but that litter spreader. It can know a spread so much later when it's time to put litter on. So some producers or choose and they get a spread for them. Have other cropping systems going on so they don't really have time to take, I mean, the ones who want to save a lot of money, you're going to save a lot of money, get a tractor trailer load and written the Madison County spread or in other counties around us that have them. But the ones that a page in and rocking hand will definitely spread for you. Of course, you're going to pay, I've got to pay 35 to $40 a ton for that spread. Much better off getting the track to try to load, but it's a time, they just don't have time to load that spread or if they don't have enough tractors or unhook and revoking the get that job done. So it's just an area for us to, some of our producers, not all of them to weigh every loaded, but understand we're VCRs come from you want to be responsible stewards of the money and account for a returning barriers on the groundwork that go on the other shot or reproach that. Here. On the environmental side, you've got folks that honestly they're County. But I don't know when that when that requirement was put in and in that way, that was 15 years ago. And there weren't the count Madison, orange near those counties are eligible either. And so it was going to be in a truck if it was if it happened, it was Bombay and a big truck. And so that's something that we can look at. And, you know, the program. Every year it's changed a little bit. Sometimes more than others. Were asked year we added the northern neck and nano Cork County, the middle peninsula handle. Those counties were advised you. So it jumped in and I'll bring up this winter we're mere discussion next year at programming in that respect. And Brad, if you would, hammer, might be helpful if you could send me something just described and the issue. Right. And he knew it. What you used to have the poultry litter is that of programming. Vcrs had it before with way take its loads. But we handle pray also for per acre Incentive Program, which work a whole lot easier for us when it was down a pariah. Right? And it evolved over time and and the biggest changes that have been because of increases in funding. And so that's why I'm Madison illegal, negligible now. And they counted up there is because there's funding. We've got an incentive to move a lot of litter. And the money to do that we need to get we need to make it work for the former. Shame. To your family that Mark can bring out the winter when we were discussing will do. And the other question I had was that these are ours, they see are still paying for later analysis done at Clemson ag lands. Yeah. Yeah. There are some limits on that. You're limited to a year. And another dense layer broker that were taken samples that day she or kind of push back. This is in the cam that ours not at DC or d cubed, but I had some issues with folks kind of abuse and that the poultry growers are supposed to be or brokers are supposed to be broad and analysis. Sometimes letter gets commingled and then now she's three years old. It's not like that. But they are there should be some analysis go under those end users. Most of our kind of related to that. Most of the plans we see are written using an average number. So these end users really need to work, especially if they or some of these crocodiles with precision stores. They really need to pay attention that the numbers in a plan, because they don't necessarily when a plant has written no word, the letters coming from. It can vary. It varies from sample to sample and the frame on it varies looking and counting. It would be an integrator where a whole world of playing effect, whatever analysis you're going to need to be aware of their florida as c. We have one more question here. Going. If I'm missing something, please please unmute yourself and ask. I see we had a question about current nutrient management plans. I think that's probably not referring to poultry litter nutrient management plans, but current nutrient management plans restrict 510 utilizing poultry litter allow us to put down more phosphorus three poultry litter because it's safer for this program. If you're importing whether he or the planner is the P in that split. And go on back to the end-user regulations. The plan will allow the hashed letter application rate in those regulations. But for the most part, somebody that's in it, that importing letter is going to be limited to either forte of need or crop removal. You can bank phosphorus in the plan. So in one year you may be able to put future Hey, reforged plan. If it's a hey, your pasture plant, 5-year, a five-year long, three to five years over milliwatt in one application. For crop plants around day three years. It, if the high-end client that New wrapped for commercial fertilizer. Either we can use the phosphorous in the form that generate geothermal manure is kind of a storage management character issue. But for formed are important. Manure did not want to be, character will be different. All right. Any other questions or comments for either Mark or set this mall? And I see some dialogue in the chat box awesome discussion about criteria numbers and phosphorus removal rates and stuff. Brad was able to to include a link there to the IP and i website with some of those values for crop removal based on each crops. So thanks Brad for, for include net force. Pref. Appreciate your being with us this morning up. Apologize, bread. Thank you, Mark bread net link. I apologize. I don't matter. For preceded pre-stage, I'll put net there. Well, thank you all for joining us this morning. Appreciate everyone being here. Set the MR. Thank you for your presentation and comments. Please please help this 7-8, this information to everyone within our county's. Hopefully, as Brad said, this may be something that rowers can can kinda utilize and hopefully take off with some of these incentive programs now, so that's our goal is to try to help spread that information, make it available to today's system, make that decision itself. Thanks again for both SB asked Rob Yeah, it's other Cynthia and may anybody you're free to share our contact information. We want to get as much participation as we can. Bathe mentioned bias. We got a new program will pay and planner is the base your planner or a district planner. If they're busy and they're not gonna get too, we gotta with Tyler planners that Nietzsche or will pay direct greater at the form of plan. And most of them aren't Trojan any extra on top of that they see all the time. Essentially the point is for you to Harlem. So yeah, please share share information with whoever whoever you can. Can you. Thank SAP. We show well, under Cynthia has been a big help with me helping to get this set up and in providing some information audit programs, I'd just like to thank Cynthia as well a yellow been a great help with this and that I think will really be able to point folks in the right direction if they have questions on this. So thank you both for your help with that also. Thank you for for being a get a swollen and appreciate everyone joining us. You would just take a few moments if, if you or any of your clients or producers have join Buddhist program, please help to evaluate us. It had topics that you'd like seen covered in the future. We please provide that in the evaluation. Will be glad to reach out and try to put together a program on those topic needs. Also, as always, just like to tell folks this has been recorded. So you can find that at the recording link or contact one of the agents that puts a program together would be glad to get you there. It's either audio only or video and audio recordings for you. Producers just like to thank the team of agents that make the effort possible. Mike broadest, Bora, Maxine, a trunk generals, and Stephanie Rommel. Check. Thank them for helping me with the program and in all of their efforts for the program. And then finally, if if you all could join us next week on BCA Today, we're going to have a topic of the spotter and land and fly and its threat potential Virginia agriculture. So we'll be joined by Eric de and marks up front from Virginia Tech and virginia cooperative extension on that topic that's of interest to you or your producers. Please, please join us next Thursday, same time, nine AM on the same Lincoln found herself. Hope everyone has a great rest of that Thursday and appreciate you join us and take care.